| CONTINUED FROM PAGE 1 CROSS-EXAMINATION - MR. GERAGOS: Q. Good morning. A. Good morning. Q. Were you aware, like Mr. Distaso just asked you, as of the 23rd, that Laci had a cleaning lady? A. Yes. Q. Did you tell the police that -- let's see. You got interviewed by Detective Grogan; is that right? A. Uh-huh. Yes. Q. Okay. Detective Grogan asked you if you knew anything about Laci's maid, and you said you weren't aware that Laci had even hired one? Did you tell him that in an interview? A. Well, I remember talking to Laci about her getting a maid, but, actually, I didn't know that they had one at the time. Q. Okay. So when you were interviewed by Detective Grogan, you -- on the 5th of January, I think, is that roughly when it would have been? A. Yes. Q. You told him at that time that you weren't even aware that they had one; is that correct? A. Yes. If that's what I said, yes. Q. Okay. Then the -- Miss Nava -- you were in the courtroom when Miss Nava testified? A. Yes. Q. Okay. You've never seen or heard of her -- A. No, I haven't. Q. -- before the 23rd, right? A. No. Q. All right. The -- and you didn't know that Miss Nava had cleaned the house four times, did you? A. No. Q. Okay. Now, the day -- I guess it was the 23rd, you were working at the salon, right? A. Salon, yes. Q. All right. And you'd arrived there at approximately what time? A. I went in early, probably like 6:30. Q. Okay. And you had -- 6:30 p.m.? A. A.m. Q. A.m.? A. Uh-huh. Q. So you were there most of the day is that -- A. Most of the day. Q. Okay. And was your appointment with Scott going to be kind of the end of your shift? A. Uh-huh. I was actually done, and I had gone to Vella Farms to get the basket made for us, and then I came back -- to meet with Scott and Laci. Q. Okay. So you had left the salon, driven over to Vella Farms? A. Yes. Q. Okay. A. And then driven back. Q. And then you came back. When you, had you already checked out, basically, or punched out or clocked out? A. Yes, I already clocked out. And then when I came back, I wasn't clocked back in. Q. Okay. Is there a surveillance system or video system in the salon? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And that -- they have a -- like a tape recording machine? A. Uh-huh. Yes. Q. You have to say yes for the Court Reporter. A. Oh. Yes. Q. And the tapes are saved, are they not? A. Yes. Q. Okay. That tape machine covers the interior of Salon Salon -- Salon Salon? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And it covers the interior of the place; isn't that correct? A. I don't know exactly where all the cameras are, but I think the entryway & part of the salon inside, yes. Q. Okay. The tape machine or the cameras would cover Laci and Scott as they were coming in and as they were leaving at the very least; isn't that correct? A. Yes. Q. And most probably would have covered and have a picture of what Laci was wearing and what Scott was wearing that day as they walked in and as they sat down in the chair; isn't that correct? A. Yes. Q. Okay. You told the police that, didn't you? A. That there was cameras? Q. That there were cameras. A. Yes. Q. Because they were asking you what was she wearing, and at first you couldn't really remember with great detail; isn't that a fair statement? A. No, I remembered from the beginning. Q. And you told them, "Look, there's a tape system, go get the tape, and then you'll be able to see exactly what she was wearing, you'll have a picture of it," right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And you did that, right, and fairly -- fairly right away; isn't that correct? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Because you wanted them to see exactly what she was wearing, because that was the last thing, and then they'd have a picture of it, right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Now, the -- you're about -- you were growing up six years younger than Laci? A. Yes, six years. Q. Okay. And did you live together with her growing up? A. No. Q. No? Okay. And -- but you would, in growing up, see her periodically or fairly often? A. Uh-huh. When we'd go to our dad's house, yes. Q. Okay. And that was -- the two of you lived in separate homes, though; is that right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And when she moved back to Modesto, I think Mr. Distaso had you estimate sometime in the year 2000? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Would you go to her house, Laci's house? A. Yes. Q. How many times would you say you've been to the house? A. I don't want to -- I don't know. A number of times. I mean -- Q. More than ten? A. Yeah, more than ten. Q. Okay. Would you normally go there on an occasion when the family was getting together? A. Yes. Q. Okay. So probably, maybe, 25, 30 times total? A. I don't know exact number, but -- Q. Okay. Did you ever -- would you ever just stop by the house? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. A. If I was over that way. Q. And is it a fair statement that you two would talk, sometimes a week would go by, sometimes it might be more frequent, just depended on -- A. Yeah, just depended. We didn't have like a routine, but -- Q. Okay. And you've known Scott since you were approximately how old? A. Maybe 13, 14. Q. Now, when they moved back to Modesto, did they move into the Covena house? A. No. Q. Okay. So they were at a different location? A. Yes. Q. And how long had they been at the Covena house, that you're aware of? A. For most of the time that they've been here. I didn't see the house they lived in previously, so I don't know exact, like, years, but -- Q. Okay. So they first lived in one house that they rented for, what, a year or something like that? A. I don't think that long, no. Q. Okay. But you never went over to that house? A. No. Q. Then they bought the house on Covena, and you've been over there for family gatherings? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Now, you were aware that Laci would walk every day while she was pregnant, isn't that correct. A. Yes. Well, she told me -- I don't know every day, but, yeah. Q. Okay. And she was trying to do that to stay fit and active during the pregnancy; isn't that correct? A. Yes. Q. She -- besides that, you were aware that even as late as the 23rd or the 22nd, right in there, she was even doing Lamaze classes or -- not Lamaze, yoga classes; isn't that correct? A. Yes. Uh-huh. Q. What was the yoga place that she was going to? A. It's in McHenry Village, and I think it might be called The Yoga Center. I don't know the exact name, but I know it's there. Q. And you knew that she as recently as the last couple of days had been to a yoga class; isn't that correct? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And you know that within that last couple of days that she'd also been to the -- been to the park walking the dog or walking McKenzie; isn't that correct? A. I don't know for sure if she walked to the park, but I knew that she'd been walking frequently, yes. Q. Okay. The -- when they moved to Modesto, Laci had wanted to have a child; isn't that correct? A. Yes. Q. And Scott wanted one as well; isn't that correct A. Yes. Q. Okay. They discussed baby names? A. Baby names? Q. Baby names. A. Yeah. Q. Okay. And as far as you know, both Laci and Scott had done Lamaze classes together; isn't that correct? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And you told the police that as well; isn't that right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. The day of the 24th, on that -- Mr. Distaso was asking about the Vella Farms, picking up the items? A. Yes. Q. The woman called you. Where did she call you? A. At my house. Q. Okay. When she called you at the -- by the way, were you going someplace that day? Did you have plans to go someplace that evening? A. Yes. Actually, I was meeting with my dad the evening of the 24th. Q. Okay. On Christmas Eve you planned to be with your dad? A. Yeah. Q. Christmas Day? A. At Laci and Scott's house. Q. Okay. So Laci and Scott had invited you over to spend Christmas morning at their house? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Cooking French toast or something like that? A. Yes, we were going to have brunch. Q. Okay. And they were going to invite -- do you know who was supposed to come over on Christmas Day? A. I don't know exactly. Just our family. I mean, immediate family, not too big. It was going to be small. Q. Just a couple of the immediate, nuclear family, if you will? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. When she called you from Vella Farms, did you call Laci's cell phone? A. No. Q. Did you call Scott's? A. I just thought I might catch him out there still, he could pick it up, so I called Scott's cell phone. And then I called their house phone, but no answer. Q. Okay. Did you leave a message on the cell phone? A. No. Q. Okay. And did their house have an answering machine, as far as you're aware? A. Yes. Q. Did you leave a message there? A. No. Q. Okay. Did -- one of those things where you make the call, the answering machine picks up, and you just hang up? A. I just hung up and ran out there and picked it up. Q. And you made the call from which phone of yours? A. I think it was my house phone. Q. Okay. And was that your hard line at the house or your cell phone at the house? A. Hard line at the house. Q. Okay. Now, the -- could I have just one moment, Your Honor? And is it a fair statement that you did not know Scott's daily routine? A. Yes, I did not know. Q. Okay. And is it also a fair statement that you didn't know Laci's daily routine, you had some information, but you didn't -- A. Yeah, but I didn't know their exact routine, though. Q. Okay. You knew that Scott liked to golf? A. Yes. Q. You knew he liked to hunt? A. Yes. Q. Okay. You knew he liked to fish? A. Yeah, I didn't really -- mostly golfing is what I ever heard, so -- Q. Okay. And you also knew that he had gone to all the doctor's appointments with Laci for the baby; isn't that correct? A. Yes. MR. GERAGOS: Okay. I have no further questions.Thank you. REDIRECT EXAMINATION - MR. DISTASO: Q. Miss Rocha, regarding Laci's routine on walking, were you actually present and going and walking with her on a regular basis? A. No. I had never walked with her. Q. So you had never walked with her? A. Right. But I did know she was walking. Q. Okay. But -- and was that from her talking to you about it? A. Uh-huh. Yes. THE COURT: You have to say yes or no. THE WITNESS: Yes. MR. DISTASO: Q. The -- do you know whether her routine -- I mean, so you have no personal knowledge of whether she walked or not? I mean, from seeing it is what I mean. A. Yeah. No, I don't. Q. Okay. Just from what she told you? A. Yes. Q. And so when you say that she was walking frequently, you don't know -- frequently, you don't know what that means; is that right? A. Yeah, I don't know if it was every day or just -- Q. I mean, you don't know if it was every day or every other day or twice a week or three times a week? A. It was pretty often. Q. Okay. A. Yeah. Q. She mentioned it to you fairly often? A. Yeah. Q. Do you know what her -- if that -- if her mentioning it to you, had that changed at all in the latter parts of her pregnancy, specifically the time around --around the 23rd or the latter part of December? A. No. I don't believe -- we hadn't talked about it in a while, but I think she was still walking. Q. Okay. When was the last time you'd actually spoken to her about it? A. She had just told me about one time she'd walked and she was feeling a little queasy, and so she was gonna take a break from walking and like -- well, she had just said that she was getting like upset, I think she might have even, like, thrown up or something and felt dizzy. Q. Okay. So she talked to you -- A. But that was like weeks before that. I don't know exactly when. Q. All right. So at some point she had talked to you weeks prior to the 23rd; is that right? A. Uh-huh. Q. About a time when she was walking, she was feeling ill during walking? A. Yes. Q. And other than that time, you know, around the time of the 23rd or a couple weeks even before, had she talked to you about resuming some pattern of walking or had you not talked to her about it? A. We really hadn't talked about it. Q. All right. So the last time -- is this true or not true? The last time that you spoke to her about it was the time that she mentioned that she had some physical problems about walking? A. Yes. Q. That was the last time? A. That was the last time. Q. And from that time on, she hadn't spoken to you about taking -- or going walking; is that right? A. No. Yeah, that's right. Q. And -- okay. MR. GERAGOS: Objection. Leading. THE COURT: Sustained. MR. DISTASO: Q. Well, you told us about this time when she had gotten ill. Was that the last time that she talked to you about going walking? A. Yes. Q. And regarding her yoga class, did you ever actually attend that class with her? A. No. Q. So do you have any personal knowledge, not from what she told you, but any personal knowledge of what types of activities she was doing in that yoga class? A. We've discussed what she did in there, like -- Q. Okay. Well, don't -- MR. GERAGOS: Objection. Let her answer the question. MR. DISTASO: Well, Your Honor, it's actually calling for hearsay. I don't have any problem. If he's not going to object to that, I'm happy to have her testify to it. THE COURT: She answered the question. Next question. MR. DISTASO: Q. Well, it seems that this will be a fine question. So what did she tell you about what she was actually doing in that yoga class? A. We had just discussed, because you do different stretching, and one night when I was at her house, she was showing me stretches that she had been doing, had learned, but -- Q. So was she showing you active, vigorous exercising or was she showing stretches? A. Like a certain stretch that they did that felt really good throughout our body. Q. All right. And was that because was she having any particular pains as a result of the pregnancy? A. No. I think she was just doing it for relaxation and to stretch. I think it's good when you're pregnant to do that. Q. Did she ever mention to you any type of, like, back pain or any common pains you get from being pregnant? A. No. Q. All right. Did you know what Laci, when Laci would go on a walk, did you know what route she would take? A. No. Q. She didn't talk to you about the exact route she would take? A. Not exact route. Q. Okay. Did she ever tell you or talk to you about the -- whether she was taking a normal route, you know, whether she had an established route? MR. GERAGOS: Objection. Leading and hearsay. THE COURT: Sustained. MR. DISTASO: No further questions. THE COURT: Mr. Geragos? RECROSS-EXAMINATION -MR. GERAGOS: Q. Amy, about three weeks prior to the 23rd, you and Laci both inherited some jewelry; is that right? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And that jewelry was from your grandmother? A. Grandmother. Q. On your father's side? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And that was a substantial amount of jewelry, wasn't it, that was inherited? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Did -when that was inherited, were you aware of Laci taking some of that jewelry to try to sell it? A. Yes, I was aware. Q. Okay. And she was doing that in various ways, as far as you knew, isn't that correct, trying to sell it? A. Yes. Q. Pawnshop; is that correct? A. Yes. Q. And also on eBay? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And she was also wearing a lot of that jewelry during that period of time or at least new pieces, if you will, during that three weeks? A. Yes. Q. When you saw her on the 23rd, she was wearing jewelry, was she not? A. I don't know exactly what jewelry she had then. Q. Okay. But when you had seen her during that three weeks, she was wearing some of these new pieces that the two of you had inherited? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And you had seen her -- well, there was quite a bit of it, and the police have showed you pictures of it; is that correct? A. Yes. Q. And you'd recognize some of it, but not all of it; is that a fair statement? A. Yes. Q. Okay. And Laci had the lion's share of the jewelry and was going to get rid of some of it, was going to do some other stuff with it, and then you were going to get part of it as well, is that -- A. Yes, we divided it up and -- yes. Q. Okay. Now, the -- thank you. I have no further questions. Thank you. THE COURT: Mr. Distaso? MR. DISTASO: One second. Nothing further. THE COURT: You may step down. AMY'S TESTIMONY - PAGE 1 PRELIMINARY HEARING LACI SCOTT COURT DATES ALIBI-WITNESS LIST EVIDENCE-NEWS |
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